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taylordeupree

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2012, 04:51:12 pm »
catching up on your modular work... as i haven't had time to check it out in about 2 weeks...

deeply impressed by the quality of sound... despite you not liking the "style".. #68 is fantastic.. particularly the little knocking sounds which sound so wooden and acoustic. also, #67 is particularly wonderful.

#62
#59
#57

my favorites....


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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2012, 05:15:50 pm »
something i've always thought about but never struck up a conversation about:

how do you deal with or like the "know before you go" mindset of modular synthesis? to me, whether it's my work with kyma, or the nord modular, or my old Doepfer modular (which i sold for my first nord modular) i'm always a bit put off by the fact that you sort of need to know where you're going before you start. it's for this reason that i always will grab a subtractive synth first, when i'm in the heat of songwriting... and particularly one with knobs (jupiter 8 or virus are usually the go-to's)... and that programming something on the modular is more of a sit-down event, separate from music making.

you really need to know what you want, or at least have a starting point, before you dig in, and that delay is always something i've had a problem with.

the result, also, tend to be sounds that are the BASIS for songs, rather than sounds that FIT INTO songs because the modular patches are quite specific things. yes, you can assign a panel full of knobs for real-time tweaking, but i have never been a fan of knob interfaces that are liquid... that can constantly change... it means you have to learn each one as a new instrument as opposed to ones that are fixed that become muscle memory moves (like the jupiter 8)... but now i'm digressing into a different topic..

back to the "know before you program" idea of the nord modular... does it bother you? how do you integrate modular patches into your workflow?


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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2012, 06:21:14 pm »
as I´m too lazy to play the keys, I always start with self-generated patches (both on the G1 & G2).

rarely I know what I want to do, to be honest, so I keep it as simple as I can (If I want to, I´ll tweak and connect cables improperly later, this is imho the big deal from these synths: you can connect cables wherever you want, just like the real ones)

I usually start with 2 sinewave oscillators (as I´m playing a lot my guitar lately, I try to tune these oscs to flat E,A,D strings)

If needed, I´ll add 2 (or more) sine oscillators, low & high pitched tunings. with this simple idea I can improvise with my guitar (or other instruments) while the nord is running over and over again.

If the whole thing works, it´s time for some modulation to get some "dynamics" fot these lazy sinewaves, adding random and logic signals to trigger envelopes, volume, panning, filters, fx, etc...that´s all!

next step: routing each oscillator to my mixer/soundcard, and press "rec" for 4-5 minutes (cutting, boosting, chopping and fx will be cooked into computer...)

don´t know if this can helps, but works for me

pd:damn, how I miss the sinebank module on the G2!  >:(


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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2012, 12:27:46 pm »
Hey Taylor

Seems I missed a few posts, not sure how that happened, sorry for the delay in getting back.

Firstly, I am really pleased you are liking and following the Modular uploads.

I probably have a similar favourite list to you actually. #59 was a wonderful moment when it just came together, its nice when that happens. #57 I remember feeling in really good spirits that day, I find this makes a huge different to how things go.

I went through a spell recently and things were really hard work, and although it might seem silly, I was using a different coffee than normal, that I brought back from Montreal, and although good, I really noticed my day improve when I went back to my normal Has Bean coffee in the UK.…haha.


I noticed with the uploads I mention my not enjoying as much, are often those when I listen back a few days later I am able to find a new way into them. The classic 'new ears' is something that is really difficult to work with on a daily uploads, with just very little time to have a break to then go back.

In a way it is a good thing not being able to take forever working on the sounds and just having to just feel my way. It is a way of working I haven't used for a long time, but am really enjoying it again.

I find when I come to write some text for the post, this is normally the hardest part for me, and to not be negative is really tricky. Even if the upload sounds good, I might just feel glum that day. Still, hopefully for the most part it is enjoyable to read, although I hope lot organise my time better and improve the writing.

As for your other post, I will answer this one in a separate reply, as I have rambled on here and it is a really good question.

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2012, 12:39:59 pm »
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how do you deal with or like the "know before you go" mindset of modular synthesis?


Hey Taylor

The knowing before hand is something I have definitely experienced and so understand completely what you on about. This is pretty much the exact reason why I never used the Modular as much as I would have liked.

I have coincidentally just briefly mentioned about this very area in post 78 & 79. Basically, it has pretty much taken me 78 or so posts to begin to feel I am using a synth again and not some, as you say, sit down and think type machine.

I am the same with you, I really don't like assigning lots of dials, it is just to confusing and they are always different, and so only use them perhaps for the occasional parameter, or combinations, but generally only assign 2-4 tops, if I do at all, normally volumes.

The other point you mentioned about sounds tending to stand on their own as apposed to being the basis for a song, is also a constant balance for me. I have to say that generally my feeling towards what constitutes a track or song has perhaps moved more than my sound creating methods have. To explain, for me, generally I tend to present enough 'information' (as I like to call it) within the sound, to be able to take it apart again if needed. I have found though, that in most case when trying to reconstruct sections of sound into a more combinations of sounds, I tend to get results I don't like if using more traditional DAW.

I basically find it really hard working with big blocks of audio in Pro Tools using automation for example, and also feel the overall structure of the track is somehow clunky, to automated. I much prefer, or find more pleasing results, when thinking of it more as one sound, or can influence how it all comes together. If jamming with sounds, I feel the results are more to my taste, but then again, often the question of 'is it a finished track' is a hard one.

For the creating of sounds in the Modular, there is definitely a different feeling an way to create a patch, if it is to be used for its flexibility. Creating something that has the potential to create lot of varying textures, or tones for example, would perhaps be a better tool for creating more layered songs/tracks. I tend to create something more specific, or start from scratch than general synths. Things can get very specific, very quickly I find, and it takes a lot of focus and control to ensure the patch created is one for making something with, as apposed to strictly a one horse race (is that the saying?)


As for being able to quickly use the Modular, all I would suggest is just keep using it, kind of obvious I know, but that “know before you program” does eventually disappear, thankfully, and things just start to feel more easy.

It has started to feel now, more like an old piece of kit, like my old Juno or my Akai sampler, I can just go to it and quickly make something happen. Before I kinda felt worried, scared even, like I was sitting my exams…haha.


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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2012, 12:52:20 pm »
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don´t know if this can helps, but works for me

Hey Puggo

Actually everything you said is really helpful. I think your spot on, and when using it as a extra synth, and tool for composition much like any other piece of gear, then starting of simple is really a must. I mean after all, most great sounds can be as simply as a sine tone, and a shifting resonance.

I think to build something familiar, much like you mentioned guitar notes, is a good start. I have done this before, and it just puts the synth in a ballpark to be able to work with where you want to go. Afterwards just a case of adding the tweaks, as you say, and as the track develops, so can the patch, becoming a but more specific.

Yeah, that is some really good points there.

Another thing I tend to do, is when struggling for inspiration, I tend to knock off the volume, and perhaps move the Master Osc to a different pitch. Often I have them all connected so it will change many things. I then turn up the volume and see what sounds good, rarely is it remarkable straight away, but there will be something there that becomes the focus and guideline in helping decide 'what' modules to pick.

It is very easy to get totally lost in the patches and your ears go numb, the mind goes dead, and inspiration reaches a zero. I have found it is quite important to find different ways to trick myself into being inspired as simple quickly turning to a different preset or previous sound, or turning some dials quickly, like can be easily done in a 'normal' synth, is really hard to do in the Modular.

One other thing, I have been using headphones on every single patch with the exception of the very first one, and Snd 74, which me and Lucia sat together so had the speakers on. I find I really can't hear what to do when on speakers, but then our studio is really noisy…London.

Bit surprised they dropped the Sinebank actually, although easy to recreate, as quite simple, but it was handy to have, if simple AM tones.

Martin

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2012, 05:52:45 pm »
Just a quick pondering that I thought to share with you all.

Today I asked my partner Lucia what I should create for todays Nord Modular sound upload, when surprised she asked is she could create something? Obviously I was very happy about this. As i mentioned in the blog post, I am probably bias, but always love what she creates and am always inspired by it, so was very eager to let her do whatever she wanted.

After hearing the sound Lucia created, I was again struck by how she listens to sound and how this informs how she creates with it.

I remember many years ago, when Lucia used my Nord Rack 2 for the first time. It had been left unused for sometime and perhaps had been so partly as I felt I knew the machine inside out, and would go to that machine if wanting a certain result. As soon as Lucia sat down with the Nord Rack, a new sound came from it created in a new way I hadn't tried before. At the time I had been using it, my creative process was very different, and the Nord felt like a machine from 'that' time…silly I know. Through Lucia using it, it sort of brought it back to life, almost a reminder of its potential.

So this same experienced happend again with todays upload, as I was faced again with sounds, that of typically Lucia, coming from a machine I thought I was beginning to associate certain things with. I am really thankful this has been broken slightly and am keen to get Lucia to create with it more.

This makes me think about how often we might have other people use our equipment? and with little to no influence by us, and how this might change our experience of that machine.

I assume we all have people in our studio from time to time, but for the most part I bet each kind of sticks to their own, or whoever's studio it is, will largely control the main equipment. I might be wrong.

It is just a thought, but one I figured appropriate considering our talking about how we engage/create with the Nord Modular.

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2012, 10:24:06 pm »
It brings up something I thought of recently, kind of like the 'birds in a box' by Stephen Vitiello & Machinefabriek, where they gathered heteroclit items in a box for the other artist to discover right at the moment of performance. I'm thinking a similar thing could be done with gear, where you have let's say an afternoon to experiment with the gear of another (and their counsel if need be) and perform with it the same night. It's bound to be a bit stressful and scary, but at the same time how challenging, fun and impromptu.

I know I'd like to try it anyway.

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2012, 08:05:05 am »
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I'm thinking a similar thing could be done with gear, where you have let's say an afternoon to experiment with the gear of another (and their counsel if need be) and perform with it the same night.

A friend of mine was attempting to put on an event with this in mind, and I was very interested in taking part, although he found it very difficult to find others who wanted to be involved, all worried they would sound bad or embarrass themselves.

I still think it is a good idea, and agree it would be a bit stressful and scary but also agree that is part of the fun too.

It both opens up a great deal for both the performer in finding new ways to work, and the owner in hearing their own equipment used away from their own methods.

It is a really good point and think it should be done.


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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2012, 08:28:06 am »
over the years in my various collaborative projects.. when they happen in my studio (as opposed to via email) one of the nicest things is watching other artists use my equipment.... because we fall into such patterns with our gear. we find comfort zones and ways to work with them... then someone else comes in, looks at it in a totally different way, and produces something you would have never thought of.

it's one of the most rewarding aspects of collaborating for me... so much of a learning experience, and new inspirations.

It brings up something I thought of recently, kind of like the 'birds in a box' by Stephen Vitiello & Machinefabriek, where they gathered heteroclit items in a box for the other artist to discover right at the moment of performance. I'm thinking a similar thing could be done with gear, where you have let's say an afternoon to experiment with the gear of another (and their counsel if need be) and perform with it the same night. It's bound to be a bit stressful and scary, but at the same time how challenging, fun and impromptu.

I know I'd like to try it anyway.

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2012, 08:29:01 am »
yeah, in theory it's cool, but i'm not sure in practice it would be that enjoyable for an audience to listen to.


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I'm thinking a similar thing could be done with gear, where you have let's say an afternoon to experiment with the gear of another (and their counsel if need be) and perform with it the same night.

A friend of mine was attempting to put on an event with this in mind, and I was very interested in taking part, although he found it very difficult to find others who wanted to be involved, all worried they would sound bad or embarrass themselves.

I still think it is a good idea, and agree it would be a bit stressful and scary but also agree that is part of the fun too.

It both opens up a great deal for both the performer in finding new ways to work, and the owner in hearing their own equipment used away from their own methods.

It is a really good point and think it should be done.



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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2012, 11:28:50 am »
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yeah, in theory it's cool, but i'm not sure in practice it would be that enjoyable for an audience to listen to.

Yeah that much the worry of many of those who he asked. I think generally I would have to agree, it would probably sound quite clunky and more a worthy experience than an enjoyable listen for most. But perhaps if the situation was right, a friendly home or personal event for example, and perhaps as more an extra to the evening, then it might work best for all.

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2012, 08:57:53 pm »
I still wanna try, OK?!  >:(

 ;)

(Sorry to interrupt, you guys may get back on the Nord modular wagon...)

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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2012, 02:05:02 pm »
Enjoying this simple little combo today :)


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Re: Nord Modular/Modular G2
« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2012, 10:17:16 am »
I'm really enjoying #92! Such soft, smooth sounds coming out of your Nord...