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steinbruchel

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object vs. mp3
« on: January 25, 2010, 04:01:58 pm »
in the listening section there was a talk about some release by autechre which is available only as download and i really couldn't remember anymore if i already have that release or not (even no clue what is sounds like or that the last track is almost an hour long). if this would have been released in another format (cd, vinyl, usb stick, whatever...) i'm sure i would have remembered (maybe not every detail, but for sure more clear)...

it's just that i miss the packaging and visual factor and feel of a release for me to really remember it and leave a mark in my life. for instance every other autechre cover is somehow stored somewhere in my brain. the ones i like more are maybe a bit more clearer and the others maybe a bit blurred but i can somehow connect the music and the title with the cover. with mp3's there's absolutely nothing to hold onto. just a blank space and no idea if i have the release or not... also when scrolling through my mp3 folders it all looks the same... it could also be graphic documents or pictures or something completely unrelatd to music.

but when i stand in front of my shelf with the cd's i know exactly what i'm looking at. if i stand in front of the shelf with books it's the same or the shelf with toys of our son or... or... or...

anybody else already have this experience? or am i just to old for the future?

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 04:28:13 pm »
I have a very similar sentiment - I've a lot of music on mp3 but it really is a rather nebulous mass of data.  this is a very materialist sentiment but really feel that I "have" all the music I own on disc, and that mp3's just cannot replicate the experience of opening and exploring packaging, placing a disc in the tray and turning the stereo up.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 04:31:33 pm »
I have a very similar sentiment - I've a lot of music on mp3 but it really is a rather nebulous mass of data.  this is a very materialist sentiment but really feel that I "have" all the music I own on disc, and that mp3's just cannot replicate the experience of opening and exploring packaging, placing a disc in the tray and turning the stereo up.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 04:33:19 pm »
I know the standing-at-the-shelf feeling well. I'm generally conflicted on this whole thing.

I have a young son (he'll be seven soon) who was a fairly light sleeper as an infant/toddler. So for a long time, I really was only able to listen to music while commuting to and from the office. MP3s made that experience much better, as it meant I could access a greater variety of music while out. So at a certain point, it made less sense for me to buy CDs, since I rarely had a chance to listen to them. And CDs take up too much space. And cost more.

For a few years, I had all my CDs in drawers, as I didn't have enough shelves to accommodate them. But last summer I finally got some new shelves. So recently, I've been able to listen to more music at home, and have been simply standing at the shelves, looking through the discs. This kind of library-browsing experience is lost in the convenience of computer files. It's the same thing lost in the transition to buying books on Amazon. Amazon has a better selection than any bookstore could possibly have, but I love standing in front of the stacks, discovering new books I might not have otherwise, or getting something on a whim simply because the book jacket looks great.

And I find it funny that based on my CD collection alone, one would imagine that I haven't listened to anything made in the last seven years, when the truth is quite the opposite.

Again, I'm conflicted. CDs as media make no sense to me, since they're just a plastic delivery method of content more easily accessed online. But the music as object/book/item quality of the CD is something I miss.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 05:36:07 pm »
I have a very similar sentiment - I've a lot of music on mp3 but it really is a rather nebulous mass of data.  this is a very materialist sentiment but really feel that I "have" all the music I own on disc, and that mp3's just cannot replicate the experience of opening and exploring packaging, placing a disc in the tray and turning the stereo up.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2010, 09:00:21 pm »
this is a very materialist sentiment


i don't think it's "materialist" at all (if you're meaning in a more negative way)... but rather something about humans and the way our senses interact and form memories.

i don't think just because you want a CD you're materialist (i'm not suggesting that's what billy implied)...nor do i think you're necessarily killing the environment (what some people do imply). it's an essential part of being human to want to experience things with multiple senses, from multiple angles.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2010, 10:04:27 pm »
i don't think it's "materialist" at all (if you're meaning in a more negative way)... but rather something about humans and the way our senses interact and form memories.

i don't think just because you want a CD you're materialist (i'm not suggesting that's what billy implied)...nor do i think you're necessarily killing the environment (what some people do imply). it's an essential part of being human to want to experience things with multiple senses, from multiple angles.

i was talking about the material pleasure of possessing a well made object containing music i love (or at least like).  I'm cognizant of the more negative interpretations of what I wrote and think those apply as well (depending on yr view of possessing material things and taking pleasure in that).

the whole CD/vinyl physical experience gives the music value (monetary and metphorical), that an mp3 will never be able to have.  I don't mean to totall de-value the mp3/digital content, I do think that mp3's can still be an effective way of distributing/communicating music to listeners around the globe, but I think there is a fundamental difference in an audience's consideration of the media.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 11:40:59 am »
It's all about the dig for something tangible when your ears are craving some crack. Same ordeal when those places called record stores still existed.

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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 12:11:53 pm »
I'm curious if people who prefer cds mainly listen at home. I listen to music pretty much exclusively on the go, and have been listening that way since my first walkman, so for me the switch to digital hasn't taken away from the experience much at all. The packaging has always been separated from the music for me, waiting at home while the disc rides around with me in my backpack. Now with my iphone the art comes along with us so in a way I've gained that element to the experience of listening.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 02:40:04 pm »
i never listen to music on the go (that's where i have my music free time).
i listen to music at home and mostly during work...

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 03:58:12 pm »
I definitely prefer the hard copy version. MP3s are too easily lost, and I rarely go back and listen, as they are just very forgettable. I listen to burned CDRs far more than MP3s.

And as for listening on the go, I do use an iPod, but only for the most sparsely selected songs, or tracks, and hardly ever does it comprise the more experimental side of music. Even this though, remains dormant so often, because I keep losing the connection cord.

Listening for me is largely in my office doing daily work, or late at night with headphones, still doing work.

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 04:42:33 pm »
I like to have the physical release whenever possible (as a designer I'm a sucker for packaging). That said, I listen to music in my car commuting, all day at work and at home as well so I usually travel around with a rotating stack of cds and my 60 gb iPod as well.

I don't get to listen to my vinyl collection nearly as much as I would like to at home, maybe when the kids are older I'll have more time to spend with it...

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Re: object vs. mp3
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 05:01:32 pm »
especially since I've been biking for 90% of my travels around the city, I'm really not listening to music in transit.  listening is done mostly at home these days - occasionally at work.

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2010, 07:59:18 pm »
i tend to prefer hard copies of albums on my favourite labels and artists, as the collector in me feels it just isn't the same otherwise.  and i like the tangible aspect and enjoying the artwork/layout etc.

however, the actual music is of most importance, and i have no problem with mp3s either.  if it's great music, then i'll definitely remember and connect to it much the same way as i would with CDs, and not just because of the artwork etc.

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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2010, 08:34:31 am »
if it's great music, then i'll definitely remember and connect to it much the same way as i would with CDs, and not just because of the artwork etc.

Despite a dislike for mp3's you are absolutely correct in this statment.

Most of my listening is done at home or at work. Despite a long work commute, I prefer talk radio and This American Life podcast, while I drive.