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Philippe Arnal

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Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« on: February 11, 2011, 09:26:39 am »
Hello, it's been a while since I did not post.
And rereading every post, I've found that nobody talked about the musical scale, or even degree "major / minor", or even the choice of tempos and time signatures "4/4, 3/4, 12/8 or more exotic" in the compositions.

Maybe this is all a bit boring for most, but if some of you have some ideas or suggestions on this ...



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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 04:34:10 pm »
These last days I've been experimenting with whole tone and octatonic scales. Interesting!

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 04:52:38 pm »
if i'm not using a keyboard, i rarely have any idea what notes i'm playing. i know the strings of a guitar, but don't spend the time to figure out what note i'm playing or ebowing.... i just mix and match what sounds good... likewise with homemade instruments or the like... often notes and keys don't matter..

same with time signature.. at least in "ambient" types of music where rhythm doesn't play a roll, time is less relevant...

that being said... with structured music, everything sounds better in 3/4 !  :)

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 05:40:14 pm »
pfff, 6/8, please....  ;)

I guess it depends on what you're doing and what you're after specifically.
Most of the time (current project anyway) I work intuitively and if there's something to be interpreted theoretically that comes afterwards, if at all.

When working with others in somewhat structured music, the more theoretical knowledge everyone shares, the more efficient it's likely to be. I view music theory more as a communication tool, a language, than an actual compositional tool. That's not to say that nobody composes with theory in mind or as a tool in the making, but pretty much only certain rare freaks make it work to genius level and can create music from a purely theoretical standpoint.

With that said, sometimes though, just as an intellectual exercise I guess, I'll put a few things together that I know could be structured a certain way. Like the other day sitting at a restaurant on my own waiting for a meal I composed a piece for bass drum, snare & triangle and wrote it on the back of my table mat. Don't know if I'll ever record it or anything, but I'm guessing it's the same as an architect thinking of certain specifics without actually drawing them, or something like that. It's fun to know my brain has that capacity to visualize musical elements and create them abstractly, but it's definitely not the way I compose or create music in general. I'd much rather sit down with my guitar and strum 'til the notes come to me, or toy around with samples, etc.


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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 07:02:17 pm »
I believe that music theory is not for everyone. It can be really helpful for your compositions and help you to express your self better but on the other hand it can really block your imagination and maybe your way to be more "innovative".

I had a formal music training for guitar for some years and at some point i realized that i was perceiving everything form a theoretical point of view and i couldn't let myself just enjoy the music without judging everything..scales, harmonies, chords progression etc.
So, i changed my guitar's regular tuning to Robert Fripp's New Standard Tuning (which is CGDAEG) but this time i didn't learn any scales or chords and this affected deeply the way that i was playing and eventually listening to music. I think Miles Davis once said that we have to learn music theory but then we have to forget all about that..I like this approach.
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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 09:03:47 pm »
I love tracks in odd time signatures - 3/4, 5/4, 7/4 and even 11/4. I think the best ones work well when you barely notice the oddness of the time signature, i.e. when you don't have to count!. 12/8 is great to work with because you can alternate the feel from 3/4 to 4/3!
Tracks that disrupt a regular time pattern with measures inserted are also appealing, I find. Often thought it might be interesting to make electronic music with similar structures to odd-time guitar-based stuff, e.g. Slayer, Metallica, Tool (how many times have those names come up on the 12k forum?!)

With guitar scales, apart from the standard western ones, I like the symmetrical eastern/arabic type scales (as used by Dick Dale in Misirlou). These tend to be good for drone-based stuff in a single key.

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2011, 05:33:45 am »
Vj manzo's modal obects max externals are rrrrreally great for working with scales and all kinds of weird note stuff.

http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=libraries&id_library=110

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2011, 04:11:04 am »
I usually have two acoustic guitars with alternative tunings. There is more adventure when you don't know exactly what is going to sound next. I think Joni Mitchell is one of my favorite inspirations for this kind of stuff: http://jonimitchell.com/music/tuningpatterns.cfm

The other technique I have found very enjoyable is generating music (with any generative device you may want) in a given tonality and making a generator to include sparse notes out of tonality. It breaks the normal flow of the music and make it sound a bit weird but at the same time gives more life to the generative process...

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2011, 04:35:44 pm »
John Fahey used lots of alternate tunings, as well. 
I don't care for standard tuning very much to begin with...

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2011, 06:25:32 pm »
None of my guitars at home are ever tuned "regular", it's been like that almost forever rly.

And sometimes I'll be hanging out with friends and the guitars where we are are all tuned normally, and then to me the regular tuning feels 'alternative', y'know?

Maybe if I went back to normal tuning for a bit I'd have some of that "beginner's mind" going for me.

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Re: Scale, chords, tempo & time signature.
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2011, 05:55:12 pm »
You could easily have a thread for each one of these.

Re: scales.  I'm currently using the harmonic series but this takes me out of the equal tempered scale, which is a bit tricky to work with.  The results are well worth the hassle though.