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taylordeupree

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if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« on: November 10, 2010, 02:26:46 pm »
one of the greatest things about running 12k is my, however limited, ability to support artists and get their music out there... this is also one of the saddest losses that file sharing is responsible for. i feel really really horrible when i see one of my artists' albums that they worked so hard on available on some mediafire site a day after the CD is released... i feel personally responsible.

if 12k were to cease existing as a traditional label it would likely continue as a source for just my own productions.. where the responsibility of trying to support other artists in this climate didn't exist.

fortunately, i don't see this happening too soon because the current crop of artists i do work with are all very happy with 12k and understand the difficulties in trying to stay afloat in this industry.

but, i guess the point of this thread was that if labels ceased to exist, the result would probably be individual artists acting as their own "label" and perhaps forming communities that way.

however, i think the need for label-as-curator is still a pretty important one.. and hopefully one of the survival traits of labels.

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 03:18:32 pm »
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if 12k were to cease existing as a traditional label

Don't even go there :)

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 09:38:57 pm »
if 12k were to cease existing as a traditional label
It'll never happen because there're bunch of people that are not going nowhere either. Maybe it's a small group, but it's also very solid and stable.

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 03:19:44 pm »
Certainly don't close down shop due to file trading / pirating.  There's virtually no way to stop it - the people that want the music for free are going to find it.   I would suspect most artists realize this and don't fault 12k in any way.

Staying afloat due to financial reasons, dwindling sales to support the label, etc... that's a related issue, but slightly different - or rather a larger issue. 

Sales of music seems to be declining simply due to the myriad of options out there for entertainment.  I don't know how many "new" fans are flowing in vs. older fans slowing down on purchasing.  Of my eight nieces and nephews... I don't know where they'll end up as music fans... but none of them have physical collections of music of any size like I did and my friends back in the 80's. 

Personally - I used to only buy cd and vinyl... and then (only) 2 years ago I got an ipod classic - and now it's been probably a year and a half since I bought a cd or cdr.   I buy music on files now... and I was generally a "hold out" among friends that already had switched to mp3 or flac.

It's an ever changing world.






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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 04:57:50 pm »
I no kidding when i say this:

Make a new law that gives everyone that downloads music from 2012, a fine with 1000$ pr. song.

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 04:47:50 am »
I no kidding when i say this:

Make a new law that gives everyone that downloads music from 2012, a fine with 1000$ pr. song.

well. i'd say the majority of people who illegally download music don't have the financial resources to pay the fine you suggested. so how are you going to fine them instead when they have no funds on their bank accounts and have no means to come up with a few thousand dollars fines? put them in jail? or community service? anything else you can think of? and who is going to pay for that? for the entire prevention system of finding those people, prosecuting them, etc. Tax payers? that means i would have less money to buy music. remember we are talking about hundreds of thousands of people who have to be investigated and someone has to pay for the process. i don't believe this could be paid with the money you would get from collecting fines. so basically i suffer and the labels and artists suffer as well as i buy less music. i don't know if that would help the case and make much difference. or teach many people a lesson. especially that downloading is an everyday thing nowadays and not really perceived as a offense (might be that more people would be upset with you if you cross the street on red light). not that i think it should be ok to download illegally or nothing should be done about it, but i'm just saying.

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 06:04:31 pm »
The only thing that would happen is that the people who actually DO buy music, stop because they have to pay the fines they got because of downloading an album to check it out before spending their money (in my surroundings these days about 90% of the people who still do buy music, the other 10% has no computer or just doesn't buy that much and isn't that interested in music anyhow so don't even download but in general just listen to the radio and buy a cd of something they hear there in the shop).

I at least couldn't buy the huge amount of records anymore that I do right now (and I can tell you that is pretty much and no I am still not telling how much it is on a monthly scale..., we should really have a "what did you buy" topic :p )
And that while these days 90% of what I download is stuff I have on vinyl so I can listen to it on my mp3 player :p

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 06:16:42 pm »
if they can't pay. take their computers.
as for "checking out" it would be the labels job to either put previews on their site like 12k does, or just get things up on spotify or something similar.


yes of course i am just dreaming but if you don't pay, you don't deserve the music.

(of course i have downloaded music before)

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2011, 11:25:23 am »
I've often wondered if all this free music that get's downloaded actually get's listened to. 

I remember someone telling me how many thousands of albums he'd collected and not paid for a single one.  He's always got his headphones on but he can't possibly listen to it all.


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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2011, 12:14:00 pm »
I've often wondered if all this free music that get's downloaded actually get's listened to. 

Of course it doesn't!   :-\

I'm not even talking illegal downloading here... In a regular week just sitting on my ass doing the usual, twittering, receiving a few newsletters, following the works of such and such (and I'm no information junky either, I select who and what I follow with much discrimination) I have access to so much free music that I end up only sampling it at some point down the line and choosing off a few minutes listening (sometimes less) what I keep and what I trash.

Between the day job, creating my own music and having (somewhat) of a social life... Add to that the limited financial means to support the artists I really give a shit about and will pay attention to diligently, there's only so much time I can devote to actually paying attention to new music.

The overload of information really is something that makes it hard for any newcomer (label, artist, promoter, etc.) to gather any form of worthwhile attention. Unless what you do has an immediate general appeal / is incredibly catchy, which I don't think there's much of here.

Social media advocates would have you believe that this creates a niche for specialized targeted marketing catering to those most likely to enjoy your 'product' (think facebook campaigns, targeted radio plays on last.fm or pandora, etc.) But I think there's a lot of hogwash there, as it just adds up to the pile on of information people are subjected to and the likelihood of your material receiving any form of receptive attention is quite slim. Plus who in their right mind would utilize these tools considering there is little to none immediate return on investment with a 'product' such as music.

To an extent the viral growth will end up happening over time, good product will raise to the top of the bowl, bad product will sink. But how long will that take? And who's to say it won't end up buried under the pile of "new and therefore more interesting" (not MY take on it, just, that's how things go often times.)

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 12:19:27 pm »
I've often wondered if all this free music that get's downloaded actually get's listened to.

I can go one better......a good deal of music we actually purchase with our hard earned dollars doesn't get listened to all that much either.  We all have a flavor of the moment and old reliable favorites that never fail, but I believe there is portion of everybody's collection that gets neglected.

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2011, 12:53:11 am »
Very true.  I guess the difference is that if I've bought something I'm going to force myself to listen to it at least once, at some point.

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Re: if 12k weren't to exist as a label...
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2011, 10:48:48 am »
I've often wondered if all this free music that get's downloaded actually get's listened to.

I can go one better......a good deal of music we actually purchase with our hard earned dollars doesn't get listened to all that much either.  We all have a flavor of the moment and old reliable favorites that never fail, but I believe there is portion of everybody's collection that gets neglected.

YES! Very true. But rediscovering those neglected records, cd's, minidisc,  can be golden!
And that's why we/I hold onto them.