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Re: Does (minimal) ambient music need a new impulse?
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2010, 01:03:47 pm »
if everyone just drops one album that is "of the style" at the current moment, there will be no development in "the genre at large,"
That definitely would be a problem, but I'm not sure we've come to that point yet. I don't think one-off projects have become the norm.

I don't think newness is essential to music anyway. Forced novelty isn't going to be any good for any style, just look at what happened to electronic dance music in the past twenty years. The constant emphasis on newness for the better part of a decade has resulted in mostly lifeless crap more concerned with compressor tricks than making music.

I think that newness *is* essential... but forced novelty is not newness. 

you can't force this kind of progression... it has to flow from creativity.

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Re: Does (minimal) ambient music need a new impulse?
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2010, 11:30:08 pm »
This has been the topic of many conversations lately and much of what has been said here has been really interesting to me in my own reflection.  I have been formulating a broader thesis, in some ways, as how paradigms of artistic expression are paralleled in evolutionary development in many illuminating ways.  I feel that in most cases, artists and creative expression tends towards an equilibrium of certain niches and when such a thing happens, people feel saturated in a number of artists that sound rather similar.

It's a matter of being conservative, to my mind, in that it makes sense to not be too extreme or innovative because it's a potentially dangerous thing to deliberately isolate one's self.  There won't be any other artists that sound similar and may lead fans of that music to your music, there might not be an appealing or clever reference made by a music critic, and last.fm or the music genome project may rarely put you in under some 'similar artists' field.  However, there's a lot of empty space, infinite empty space in the world of sound and it's always possible to 'innovate'.  Though, I'm with Taylor in really feeling like there's nothing 'new' to be found or created (if I am interpreting him correctly), but I don't find that defeating because I think what really happens is the re-combining of influences and experiences.

It helps, then, to have as broad of a range of influence as possible because that may often appear as something 'new' to music critics and listeners (but I am quick to remark that they just haven't heard what influenced the artist).  New niches appear when a novel and functional recombination appears, and it has the potential to attract a broad audience because of that.  There would be many different reasons to like the music, but it wouldn't be unfamiliar.  In fact, it would be better served to contain a striking but undefinable familiarity - it would be really functional music, to put it boringly.

I have personally felt like a sponge throughout much of my life and I really saturate myself in things that I love - obsess over them, study them, experience them in as many ways and contexts as possible and absorb it in that way.  When I create, then, these things have a really profound influence on me and I can really reflect on it later and hear certain influences (usually a combination of musical but much more often sensual and philosophical) and I really love that aspect of creating.  I am usually just after creating what I want to hear, which is often similar to other artists, but I always seem to find many spontaneous processes, and greater, more refined philosophical justification to tuck in there.

In the end, I feel like conservative tendencies are pretty natural, but mostly a product of a lack of effort.  While biological processes are severely limited in their ability to innovate, we have much less restriction.  The passive efforts and niche-dwelling artists seem, to me, just laziness (and I'm not trying to be harsh, I love a lot of the music that is representative of this or that I find conservative).  But, mostly time spent on music, experimenting, or listening and exploring other music or influences.  It's rather simple to 'jam' pretty sounds and layer them for a few hours - and many times that can create something listenable, beautiful, magical or whatever else.  Very few artists are committing weeks and months of effort to creating a single work, or having the patience to develop new processes, or having the energy to experiment without feeling like time has been wasted because a new track isn't sitting there at the end.  I think it's clear when an artist does, though, and really has some excellent commitment to creating.

That's my long-winded yet severely abridged thought on this topic at the moment though I'm working on a larger bit of writing and hoping to interview several artists and engage a lot of other people in its formulation.  It's nice to see this thread and read other people's comments, many things I hadn't thought about.  Hmmmm..... So it goes....

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Re: Does (minimal) ambient music need a new impulse?
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2010, 01:43:39 pm »
Thanks for your long reply.
Think it is quite clear :)

What struck me specially is this part:

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It's a matter of being conservative, to my mind, in that it makes sense to not be too extreme or innovative because it's a potentially dangerous thing to deliberately isolate one's self.  There won't be any other artists that sound similar and may lead fans of that music to your music, there might not be an appealing or clever reference made by a music critic, and last.fm or the music genome project may rarely put you in under some 'similar artists' field.
Some of my befriended musicians always said my music was just somewhere between their stuff, but didn't really fit in with any.
It's not pure drones, it's not pure dark ambient, it's not pure noise, it's not pure ambient, it's not pure minimal...it is somewhere in between. (although that is for some older work that I have had on the shelves for years...newer stuff has found it's niche I guess).
But enough about that, it's completely off-topic and for no-one really interesting (except for me I guess).

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Re: Does (minimal) ambient music need a new impulse?
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2010, 09:13:35 am »
lots of well articulated stuff

great post.